I just worry that with the climax the way it is, that will be people's only take away? The last lines of dialogue, where she asks the Detectives to investigate her upstairs neighbour because "he's someone you wouldn't want your kids around" shows her inability to grasp her current reality; she still sees herself as on a righteous crusade in the face of all the evidence of harm she's done. That is unless it was all her. Even so, I can't help feeling like these episodes could've been better focused towards how the victims of rape and paedophilia struggle to find justice or any sense of normality after the horrific fact. The groundbreaking Netflix series takes place in four separate countries, including the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Spain.. Criminal has been compared to the famous NBC franchise-starter Law & Order.Crimes are committed and police investigate suspects. Check out our spoiler-free season review. It all comes down to personal opinions it would seem. So that is like Kardashian crazy? But when 80% of the criminals in the season are "women who ruined the lives of men," that's a very oddly specific subset and yes, it's called a pattern. Women become evil because they're bad wives (Ep.1), bad mothers (Ep.3), and incompetent workers (Ep.2)." Look at Reddit and the Boston Bomber debacle. The script emphasized his race multiple times for no reason. Her crusade began with Crispin Lewis, a P.E. Criminal: Season 2 is set in a police interrogation room where suspects Julia Bryce (Sophie Okonedo), Alex Daniels (Kit Harington), Danielle Dunne (Sharon Horgan) and Sandeep Singh (Kunal Nayyar) are brought in for interrogation for murder, alleged rape, improper communication, and double murder respectively. So the damage caused by Danielle because of the false accusation was deemed bad (although her intent was good, stupid maybe but still good), whereas, in the case of Alex, the damage that Sara caused him was as bad but was not deemed so (although the intent behind it was malicious). False accusations and even convictions can occur for all crimes but there is a reason we don't have the death penalty in the UK, just in case we get it wrong. There is hardly enough resources to deal with sex trafficking and pedophilia globally which is why I’m not surprised there are people out there who do this and why I don’t necessarily believe it’s a bad thing. Criminal: UK Season 2 Review: A Fantastic, Confined Game of Cat and Mouse September 14, 2020 September 13, 2020 Kevin Lever Reviews Thereâs a nuance to criminal interviews, where it becomes a game of minds, where evidence is the starting point and peeling back the truth gets closer to an end point, if there ever can be one. She was so good. On the contrary, for people who are empathetic and legally conscious, who would stand with the victims to begin with, stories like Alex's and Danielle's can bring a new perspective into the book of good values they already hold. as if To Catch a Predator isn't a thing (and a commended one at that). [–]l_l_l-illiam 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children), If you're going to add a spoiler, hint what it's towards. It's important to consider the other side of the coin, i.e. In her path of bringing down one paedophile, she destroyed an innocent man's life (and the other 2 innocent people Tony mentioned had committed suicide), probably psychologically damaged him, and severely injured a child. [–]Terrible_Vermicelli1 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago* (7 children). Criminal is a series of four Netflix police procedural anthology TV series set in four countries. Like how is an 11 year old going to do anything you mentioned? [–]teeedaasu 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago (1 child). Maybe it's projection? That woman doesn't have the training to make the call on who gets punished, and that's what it was, punishment not justice. Yet again, the Evil Woman has ruined an innocent man's life. [–]prazskanaplava 0 points1 point2 points 23 days ago (0 children), [–]Wildera 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children), It's the people on facebook or /r/conspiracy most obsessed with pedophiles and hunting down pedophile rings whose personal relationships I'm most wary of projection for, [–]rossnrolla 22 points23 points24 points 3 months ago (8 children), I love how Warren is the moral compass of the team and even keeps Natalie in check, [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 9 points10 points11 points 3 months ago (6 children), [–]letmeeatcake97 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (5 children). Criminal registers for England and Wales (1791-1892) Search criminal registers for England and Wales (HO 26 and HO 27), 1791 to 1892, on Ancestry.co.uk (£).. Old Bailey trial records (1674-1913) Search for records of Old Bailey trials from 1674 to 1913 at Old Bailey Proceedings Online.. Looks like she needs a lawyer after all. Do they do things differently In France and Spain re lawyers?? they deliberately emphasized that these women committed evil acts as a result of being bad mothers, wives and workers. She's totally deranged and needs the help of professionals to even fit into society, having a normal job would be hard for her, let alone carrying out investigation and detective work. You talk about insults I never used, but you are the one who from the first post started off by aggresively suggesting that the only reason someone might disagree with you is by not reading your posts carefully enough. And that's coming from someone who repeatedly and with bold font spits right and left insults about being toxic, not being able to read with comprehension, not paying attention and every argument being "irrelevant". There, my friend, is a job well-done by the Criminal show team. None of these are even the slightest bit of relevant to any of the issues that I've raised. NETFLIXâS Criminal is back for a second season that stars Kit Harington. So, from a creative perspective it seems more unique and appealing to me to write a story about the struggles of false accusations and the like, which has a smaller representation in stories as far as I'm aware at least. For sure. Warner and DC Comics took the initiative during the Summer convention season and launched DC Fandome, an online event that. I thought episode 3 was really well done and made the point that this type of evidence is best going to the police. Her or a partner did something to the kids? That's a very good advice you should be giving to yourself. But concluding all the above, I think their concerns are valid, and their "narrative" is not problematic in the bigger picture. [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (3 children). You prove what I've noticed before, you are offended by literary anything - first and foremost different opinion than yours. [–]atlwellwell 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (1 child). It also ignores the fact that victim blaming often makes it seem that it is women's fault if they are dressed provocatively, drunk or out late at night. [–]llumox 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago* (4 children). As to whether the show is becoming predictable that's a good point but if you look at this episode on its own context as a stand alone movie if you will it's not as tainted as much as the show perhaps is by this mishap. [–]NjY2 10 points11 points12 points 3 months ago (1 child). I do accept though that it's not that black and white, and the episode does do an excellent job of including all those layers. I also previously praised Criminal Germany for executing a similar plot twist (where the woman turns out to be the one abusing the man being questioned) in a much better way, without coming across as biased or monotonous. Funnily enough, the second case was extremely similar to the cases in Criminal UK S2 - the man turns out to be innocent and actually the victim of a woman, his wife. But I dismissed the feeling because I wanted to give the series a fair shot. We ended up asking the same question in this episde as the previous one: is it still justified? The writers shoved the pattern in my face by repeating it again and again throughout the season. Colin Hutton/Netflix. It's pointless to talk to you about the things that happened in the show when it's plainly evident that you don't remember the show very well, considering that in your last message, you didn't even remember half of the criminals this season were not white. You see what you want to see, you didn't mention strong and scrupulous women officers, you didn't mention that one of the accused women actually helped arresting a real pedophile (a man! She could have only sent one file to Scotland Yard and let the police break the news and arrest the paedophile, but no; she sent two packages to his work and family, too. It is a good quote. Other than Episode 3 of Season 1, every single other ones been quite a masterpiece. How many times have i read/watched/listened to a story which is about sympathizing with rape victims or at least has this component in it's story? It might be more subtle. The lesser known one is a guy was accused of groping a woman in a tube station, a fav that was proven he did not due to both his hands being occupied, but the woman was convinced it was him, right until the freeze frame from cctv proved it definitely wasn’t him, yet he was slandered in the mean time. She seems to have had a complete break with reality. In most episodes, you could correctly guess the identity of the real culprit 1/4 of the way in. Criminal season two has now been released in full on Netflix as the series follows four new suspects. They did the "man being questioned turns out to be innocent" plot twist in 2 out of 3 episodes, yet those twists played out in completely different ways. I think that even her evidence-gathering methods come under scrutiny, since the perpetrator had taken steps to cover his tracks which she missed. The consequences of this kind of accusation can be much much worse than those of rape, because sadly rape is somewhat normalised in society and as episode 2 shows, commonly thought to be false. Aren't they allowed to just explore a story from the perspective that catches their interest? Throughout, Danielle is very narcissistic - continually implying that she's smarter and more effective than the Police, and that she could have been a Detective herself; but not just any Detective, she'd have been Columbo. [–]EattheRudeandUgly 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (1 child). That line is what separates interesting shows from predictable shows. I watched House MD entirely twice. But based on the episode plot, the only reason they investigated was as a result of the Pesticide "evidence" package Danielle sent to Scotland Yard. He’s a complicated individual, not to be trusted around children…. But thanks for revealing your own ugly biases. Let the trained professionals handle the rest instead of go full vigilante. Danielle appears regularly in complex criminal matters including fraud, money laundering, robbery, sexual offences and drugs offences, both as a led junior and a junior alone. I also agree that there will most definitely be viewers who leave the show with the wrong takeaway. That episode dissected the predator's well-respected exterior and twisted selfish interior perfectly. An immense level of talent is required for a show of this format.. to get you hooked, and intrigued.. start to finish. "), but even if the ending went the other way, it wouldn't have affected their mindset all that much. The police feels no responsibility and no remorse, the guy actually said he lost interest 3 minutes ago. Rochenda Sandall is back as DC Vanessa Warren for the second series of Criminal. Wait... She is way, way out of line, but she's still trying to do good, right? Thank you for the real-life examples. To which a police captain responded: "I wish more cops have a voice wondering, what if they are innocent. Seriously? This is Danielle’s method. Danielle Dunne is brought in for questioning regarding the actions of her online vigilante community, Pesticide. [–]ChineseJoe90 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children). But what really happened is that Andrew was fired on the spot, his wife had a panic attack, and his daughter was savagely assaulted by a gang of girls when word got out their her father was a pedophile. Type 1 and type 2 errors both suck. [–]Terrible_Vermicelli1 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child). I suppose you're under the impression that as long as you don't sink low enough to use a traditionally bleep-worthy insult, you can be as rude and angry as you want, and everyone will just be okay with it? Even if it seems like he may be innocent he's forever tainted by this public opinion of maybe he did do it before it hits the court. Just... unbelievable. Her methods were undoubtedly offside. They have access to resources that civilians don't have. [–]llumox 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago* (0 children). I don't expect a TV show to be 100% realistic. The only difference is that normal people (who of course should not personally seek justice blindly and obsessively) are not bound by duty to follow protocols, research cases properly to preserve citizen's safety and integrity, gather real evidence with no bias or that kind of laziness: police is. [–]MichaelEugeneLowrey 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child). We as a society would progress most ideally if both type 1 and 2 errors were given the same weight and consideration, and a fair opportunity to be avoided. I'm not sure how they could better portray that aspect of rape allegations without portraying it this way. As in convicted and sent to jail forever this innocent black man. [–]Unforgettable_14 14 points15 points16 points 3 months ago (11 children), This is where her “justice” should have ended, she should’ve handed the evidence over to them and only them instead of ruining his life, because their investigation proved that it was someone else. [–]TheWikiDoctor 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children), 26 Tweets per day. CriminalÖ United Kingdom Dans le huis clos d'une salle d'interrogatoire londonienne, l'heure tourne et les enquêteurs doivent faire parler trois suspects, chacun soupçonné d'un crime grave. Three episodes in, and we're 4 for 3 on women destroying men's lives. And in this case, it has badly backfired in more ways that one. [–]PatronOfPocketKnives 32 points33 points34 points 3 months ago (4 children). You can check out our, Criminal: United Kingdom season 2, episode 3 recap – “Danielle”. We saw Vanessa grappled with the thought of making Danielle and example because she thought that Vanessa’s work caught paedophiles. did anyone notice DC Tony constantly check his phone before he got the call from Social Services? Leads you down one path to make you think that she was justified in outing him, until that revelation at the end that she didn’t have all the facts, the pedophile was impersonating his colleague and she ruined a lot of people’s lives, because she got the wrong person. I especially took issue after the second episode because I think making an episode on rape allegations without featuring the alleged victim's point of view at all offers a highly unbalanced narrative. It definitely felt like they shoved it down the throat a bit. These are also not just "narratives"; stories like these are real and happening. However, Andrew is alive, but my understanding is that he truly was innocent and his coworker was the pedophile. this episode wraps it up pretty perfectly. They didn't die, but the social services took them from her. Please, do quote those awful names and insults I supposedly used. Was I putting an innocent man in jail?' it's only okay if you beat them up partially, eeeverybody knows that! â¢ Katherine Kelly â Detective Chief Inspector Natalie Hobbs [–]Umpire616 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (3 children). Pretend that you totally weren't implying that I'm crazy throughout all of your posts, and that being crazy is my "only identity.". Except random people speaking up on the internet also leads to QAnon and Comet Pizza. Remember, the investigation team weren't the ones who made the call to drag Alex away from his office. Horgan’s Danielle is the epitome of this; she’s absurdly self-righteous and smug about her presumed effectiveness, with no concern whatsoever for the knock-on effect her personal crusade might have on actual police work and those affected by the people she exposes. 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